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Hamlet
Mar 1, 2015 14:47:22 GMT
Post by sergeyfen on Mar 1, 2015 14:47:22 GMT
As we all discussed in class about Hamlet going mad, we haven't really talked about other scenarios and other endings to the poem. Hamlet started off as a normal human being, but after conversation with a ghost he started to pretend to be mad and as far as story ghost he was never able to leave that mad character, simply because he stayed mad for too long . Maybe if he killed Claudius earlier he could have become normal? Think about scene when Hamlet killed Polonious, if instead of Polonius he killed Claudius do you think Hamlet would have snapped out of being mad?
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misato
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Hamlet
Mar 1, 2015 15:18:28 GMT
Post by misato on Mar 1, 2015 15:18:28 GMT
I don't think so because his madness was not only for Claudius. Even though he killed Claudius instead of Polonius he could never satisfied.
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Hamlet
Mar 4, 2015 12:42:40 GMT
Post by justink on Mar 4, 2015 12:42:40 GMT
I actually think that Hamlet was never normal form the beginning of the story. Due to the theme of uncertainty especially the part when Hamlet talks to the ghost, Hamlet might have already descended into madness wayyyy earlier than we think. But of course, if the issue ended earlier, Hamlet might have prevented worsening his condition.
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bachle
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Hamlet
Mar 5, 2015 15:37:07 GMT
Post by bachle on Mar 5, 2015 15:37:07 GMT
I think that Hamlet would act normal if he has killed Claudius earlier because the ghost was hegemonic to his thoughts. i don't think reader should perceive Hamlet as a crazy guy because he is the only person who see the ghost. In fact, he's not. Two guards and Horatio have seen the ghost til Hamlet talked to it. In addition, All Hamlet wanted to do was killing Claudius and If he did early, I think he would have bunch of stuff to take care of such as Ophelia, Throne and his mom.
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Hamlet
Mar 8, 2015 12:19:55 GMT
Post by jmoon234 on Mar 8, 2015 12:19:55 GMT
I don't think that he would because he was already to obsessed by his father's death that he wasn't able to make the correct decisions. He might have gone more mad by the pressure of killing someone like Claudius who had some guilt killing the old king. Pressure upon the death of another person can really break someone's heart.
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Hamlet
Mar 8, 2015 12:31:54 GMT
Post by hansoo on Mar 8, 2015 12:31:54 GMT
How can you stay calm or normal when you are put in Hamlet's situation? Your uncle has murdered your father and married to your mother. And now he is planning on killing you. I don't think anything would have changed if he killed Claudius instead of Pollonius. His rage would still have not fulfilled. His rage was gradually driving to the end where he has to kill himself too.
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Hamlet
Mar 8, 2015 12:59:12 GMT
Post by lukejoo on Mar 8, 2015 12:59:12 GMT
Though he may have been able to become normal, I believe the circumstances and his surrounding environment would've prevented from being so. Even if he did kill Claudius which was the most disturbing thing in his mind, then the people around him would have seen him as a mad man. His mother's reaction would be most interesting because from judging from what has happened so far, it seems unlikely that she will see him as a perfectly sane man. Though there is Horatio to testify that this started out as a planned madness, I have doubts of whether even Horatio would have started to wonder whether Hamlet is sane or mad.
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Hamlet
Mar 8, 2015 13:08:11 GMT
Post by edward95312 on Mar 8, 2015 13:08:11 GMT
I do not think Hamlet did wrong thing. He did right things to do. Think about you was in that situation. His father was dead and his mother married to his father's brother. If i was in that situation, I am sure that i did same thing as him.
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Hamlet
Mar 8, 2015 13:33:13 GMT
Post by James on Mar 8, 2015 13:33:13 GMT
I think Hamlet was already crazy from the beginning. Imagine all the incidents that happened to Hamlet even before the ghost showed up. Hamlet already lost his father and saw his mom getting married with his uncle only within 2 months. I would definitely have gone crazy way earlier than the appearance ghost.
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Hamlet
Mar 8, 2015 13:36:01 GMT
Post by chrishong on Mar 8, 2015 13:36:01 GMT
I agree with you that if Hamlet killed Claudius instead of Polonius, the story could have ended pretty quickly and everything would go back to normal because Hamlet's mission in the story was to avenge his father's death by killing his uncle and Hamlet had accomplished his goal. Even though Polonius was still alive to spy on Hamlet, I think he would give up easily because he is powerless without the presence of Claudius.
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Hamlet
Mar 8, 2015 13:38:58 GMT
Post by estherchoi on Mar 8, 2015 13:38:58 GMT
I agree with Chris. The story would have ended more quickly if Hamlet killed Claudius instead of Polonius, because that was his actual intention. If Hamlet accomplished his goal, then he has no reason to act mad or be mad.
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Hamlet
Mar 8, 2015 13:54:00 GMT
Post by brandonina on Mar 8, 2015 13:54:00 GMT
Assuming that Hamlet was mad, I think that there wouldn't be much difference in Hamlet's sanity. Hamlet has already gone through the death of his father, seeing the relationship between Gertrude and Claudius, and having his throne taken away. But to be sure, Hamlet would've felt a little better after killing Claudius and wouldn't have died for long since he would've become the king.
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Hamlet
Mar 8, 2015 14:16:06 GMT
Post by elisalee on Mar 8, 2015 14:16:06 GMT
I also think that there wouldn't be much difference because from the beginning of the story, Hamlet's father was dead. Nobody is okay when a member of their family dies. The story would have ended earlier if Hamlet was able to kill Claudius faster because that was his goal after he found out that it was Claudius who killed his dad.
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daniel
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Hamlet
Mar 8, 2015 14:53:16 GMT
Post by daniel on Mar 8, 2015 14:53:16 GMT
if Hamlet was active earlier, i think the story would be differ from the original version. If Hamlet proceeded his plan earlier, i think Hamlet didn't need to be crazy for that long time, and himself, Laertes, Polonius and Ophelia would be still alive.
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jimim
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Hamlet
Mar 8, 2015 14:54:31 GMT
Post by jimim on Mar 8, 2015 14:54:31 GMT
Hamlet's madness might have started from beginning of the story because he had very hard time with his father's death. Also he had to admit Gertrude and Claudius's relationship. So even if Hamlet killed Claudius earlier, his madness might have been not disappeared.
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