bachle
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Post by bachle on Jan 18, 2015 8:41:32 GMT
As Ms.Boyd showed us the brief summary of "Hamlet" and I wondered how does the story "Hamlet" match the theme of the year which is "Hero"?
We have seen Hamlet's uncle, Claudius and his conspiracy which he usurped the throne from Hamlet's father by murdering him then married to his wife. Obviously, those actions are dishonorable but the fact that the author didn't mention about any bad actions Claudius made on people such as dominating and suppressing. Therefore, the fact that Hamlet killed Claudius lately for vengeance was just a honorable act from the aspect of the son which it didn't mean Hamlet did that for his people and for the good of his country. So, should we consider Hamlet as a hero of the story? Or is there someone else in the story a hero?
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Post by chrishong on Jan 18, 2015 9:09:43 GMT
I agree with you that we should consider Hamlet as a hero of the story. Even though Hamlet killed his uncle in front of people, which may seem like a conspiracy against the king, Hamlet at least did what his father(ghost) wanted him to do. Hamlet's father wanted Hamlet to avenge his death and Hamlet obeyed his father and therefore crushed Claudius's hope of possibly becoming a tyrant(I'm just assuming). Therefore, Hamlet can be perceived as obedient son and rightful heir of throne.
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Post by agneslianaputri on Jan 18, 2015 9:29:26 GMT
It's hard to put him in one box. At first you can see that he's a son mourning a father and feeling betrayed by his mother. But he's also a manipulative creep to Ophelia, and also kind of betrayed his friend. I have to read the full story first to understand it better and puts him in one of the category.
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Post by James on Jan 18, 2015 10:15:44 GMT
Hamlet is a hero. He is also crippled by the welter of emotions that bombard him after finding out that his father is dead and his mother is married to his uncle. He's basically good: a good son trying to avenge his father (even when his religious beliefs forbid revenge) and to woo an innocent virgin. However, he, of course, has a tragic flaw the nature of which many contest.
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Post by stephen on Jan 18, 2015 11:24:49 GMT
Hamlet can be hero depending on how you set the perspective. The action Hamlet done to his uncle and ending it up killing the entire family is considered a heroic act. However, is the vengeance he has tried to do something heroic? This made me wonder doing vengeance something heroes will usually tho. The fact that he tried to solve what his mother has caused is being good, but the action he has taken out can be considered bad.
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Post by brandonina on Jan 18, 2015 11:26:45 GMT
I think Hamlet is a hero in that he is killing his uncle, who killed his father and married his mother (which is extremely weird). I really agree with Chris's statement because Hamlet is the rightful heir of the throne. So such action taken by Hamlet is just I guess. But at the same time, Hamlet might be ambitious and desire for power. So Hamlet might pretend to be all heroic but in fact his intention and motivation aren't exactly like those of other heroes.
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Post by edward95312 on Jan 18, 2015 11:32:17 GMT
Hamlet is a hero. i agree with what brandon said. he killed his uncle for the revenge. his uncle killed his father so if i was hamlet. i would do same thing as him.
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Post by nerdira on Jan 18, 2015 11:52:01 GMT
Do anti-heroes count as heroes? Because if so, I believe that Hamlet counts as more of an anti-hero. I haven't exactly read the story but I know that a lot of deaths come about because of Hamlet which makes him less than the ideal hero. I feel like he's the perfect hero to study this quarter, to be a foil to Beowulf and Sir Gwain's ideal heroes, and and Percy's vigilante kind of heroism.
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Post by hansoo on Jan 18, 2015 12:28:42 GMT
One of the aspects of a hero is being able to achieve a goal even though it may cost one death. Hamlet demonstrates such aspect by successfully revenging for uncle's death. He died by doing so-did not fear the cost at all!
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Post by anyuchen on Jan 18, 2015 12:42:08 GMT
As far as I am concerned, Hamlet is a hero. His uncle murdered his father for the power of a king. Finally, his uncle alos marry his brother's wife( Hmalet's mother). In morality , Hamlet's uncle is totally a bad guy. In this article, his greedy lead to all the problem. Hamlet want to kill him for revenge could be understaned by others. A prince could not stand such a great humiliation.
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Post by sergeyfen on Jan 18, 2015 13:11:05 GMT
Hamlet subconsciously is a hero because he killed a king he was extremely corrupted and suppressing. By killing his uncle Hamlet did a favor for all the citizens, getting rid of selfish king and his future selfish plans. On the other hand, Hamlet didn't kill his uncle for the good of people and the good of country, but for his personal gain in this case his revenge for his father. So i think by doing something for himself, Hamlet helped people without even acknowledging it.
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Post by lukejoo on Jan 18, 2015 13:33:13 GMT
I wouldn't say that there's a hero in this story. Hamlet may be our protagonist, but he clearly is not a benevolent one. He simply killed Claudius for his own personal desire. It was not for the general good. In fact, because of his actions, his nation got taken over by a foreign nation! He did not care about the lives of others and only about his own. In such respects, I'm not sure if it'd be right to call him a hero.
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Post by mirim002 on Jan 18, 2015 14:01:05 GMT
I think he is not the hero, however, he is also not the villain. He did avenge his father's death, & took away the throne from his uncle by killing him, who only wanted power. Even though doing this, it can not be said he is a hero. He killed many people, & did not treat his lover, Ophelia well. He was maddened by the death of his father, & did not let anything get in his way of getting revenge.
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Post by irin on Jan 18, 2015 14:37:39 GMT
I agree we should consider Hamlet as hero but he did something wrong he killed his uncle with front of people bit it was for save people and country but he follow what father wants him to do. Some part he did wrong and not hero things but he did some of hero things.
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Post by jimim on Jan 18, 2015 14:39:22 GMT
I think Hamlet is not hero because he just saw ghost and followed what the ghost said. He just killed everyone at the end but I think he is not a bad guy too because killing everyone was part of his father's revenge. So I think he is not hero but good son that took revenge for his father.
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