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Utopia
Nov 22, 2014 5:16:58 GMT
Post by justink on Nov 22, 2014 5:16:58 GMT
:3 lets share some ideas from the story Utopia and whether Thomas More's proposed ideas will be successful or not, why not
"No more than 40 men and women live in rural household that is under control of 2 serfs" Bach brought up this interesting idea that this idea will prevent a large scale rebellion. As a population grows bigger, a revolution is more dangerous. This aspect could also contribute to a better city organization and constant supply of agricultural products (food supply)
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Utopia
Nov 23, 2014 8:50:43 GMT
Post by danielkim on Nov 23, 2014 8:50:43 GMT
“Cities do not have a desire to expand their territory” I think this is unsuccessful because different lands have different natural resources and it is unfair that one equally sized region does not have valuable resources whereas another one has many of them.
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Utopia
Nov 23, 2014 13:10:44 GMT
Post by elisalee on Nov 23, 2014 13:10:44 GMT
"Everyone speaks same language and shares same culture and religion." Although the idea behind this is to prevent discrimination and say that everyone is the same, it is unsuccessful because it is impossible to prevent dialect, which leads to discrimination. Like this example, I do not think the Utopia will be successful in that you cannot create the "perfect" society.
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Utopia
Nov 23, 2014 14:09:22 GMT
Post by crystalcao on Nov 23, 2014 14:09:22 GMT
"As for clothes, these are of one and the same pattern througout the island and down the centuries" all of them have same clothes.
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Utopia
Nov 23, 2014 14:09:34 GMT
Post by brandonina on Nov 23, 2014 14:09:34 GMT
Both women and men learn the same skill. I think this idea is ideal, key factor to creating a perfect society. But it is impossible and unsuccessful because there's a natural difference between men and women. There's things that men can do but women can't do, vise versa. Basically, I think women and men can't learn the same skill. Also, individuality is ignored as well by classifying people into two groups in terms of gender.
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jimim
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Utopia
Nov 23, 2014 14:45:20 GMT
Post by jimim on Nov 23, 2014 14:45:20 GMT
His idea is not successful because overall Utopia seems like Communism society and that system was not successful in any of the world. In Utopia everyone should have same job and same land amount but our nature wants more. People's desire wouldn't be stopped because they will want more and Utopia won't fulfill our nature. So it is unsuccessful.
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Utopia
Nov 23, 2014 14:48:46 GMT
Post by nerdira on Nov 23, 2014 14:48:46 GMT
'Everyone works 6 hours a day, with 8 hours of rest'
This will totally succeed because studies have shown that students aren't getting enough sleep at night because of school. 8 hours of rest is the perfect amount of sleep people need. Also, working for 6 hours a day will eliminate the stress and health problems that overworked people often suffer from.
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Utopia
Nov 23, 2014 15:02:33 GMT
Post by irin on Nov 23, 2014 15:02:33 GMT
'Everyone works 6 hours a day, with 8 hours of rest' I think this is one is sucess because they can have 8 hour to rest and sleep they need and people will get less stress and theey will not suffer from it. I hope this happen in our society sometimes I am too much tired and I doesn't get enough sleep and I get strss a lot.
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Utopia
Nov 23, 2014 16:10:54 GMT
Post by onysarkar on Nov 23, 2014 16:10:54 GMT
justink bro whatever you have stated I agree but maybe i misunderstood your post, but think of it this way would you ever like to be judged and being controlled by someone else? I don't think so. The reason I am saying this is because, nobody at least in this modern world like to be watched by someone and the worst part judged. If 40 people are living in a household under the control of 2 serfs then i guess somehow someone or at least a small group of people will rebel and then that will make others talk too and as a result total chaos.
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bilal
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Utopia
Nov 23, 2014 18:22:25 GMT
Post by bilal on Nov 23, 2014 18:22:25 GMT
utopia is unsuccessful idea for a nation, everything or everyone cannot be equal, there will always be some people disagreeing on this idea
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Utopia
Nov 23, 2014 23:48:48 GMT
Post by hansoo on Nov 23, 2014 23:48:48 GMT
I think having one universal language will not be ideal. Having language will keep the nation from developing into more of a cultured community because language is directly correlated with its culture and quality of life. One universal language leads to lack of diversity and interaction with other communities. Eventually the nation will lack power to go forward.
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Utopia
Nov 26, 2014 2:00:24 GMT
Post by James on Nov 26, 2014 2:00:24 GMT
capital city located in the center is already unequal. Even though the capital is located in the center, outside part of the city is still far away from the capital. Also, having identical language seems not plausible. Everybody working 6 hours won'twork either because some people will find a way to do things in easy way. There are always people like that. Also, having an authority every big households already creates inequality because the guard is already in a higher position.
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Utopia
Nov 27, 2014 12:54:48 GMT
Post by lins on Nov 27, 2014 12:54:48 GMT
Utopia stated that everyone hold be equal in wealth. As a result, everything was shared communally by the city. There was no private ownership in land, property and more. Sir Thomas More tried to establish a country where everyone is equal, thus not discriminated. Since in his time, many people were discriminated by wealth, status and more, he wanted to abolish the distinction.
However, I think it is a bad idea to equalize everyone and get rid of private ownership because there will be no motivation for people to work. They won't work because they will get their share no matter what; even though they don't work, they get their share equally as others who worked. I believe this idea is well represented in communist society where people don't have an ownership. As a result, many of these countries suffer hunger, poverty and more. They don't have any motivation to work if there is no private ownership.
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bachle
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Utopia
Nov 29, 2014 16:58:52 GMT
Post by bachle on Nov 29, 2014 16:58:52 GMT
I disagree with him that he said every body and city will be the same. If there is no difference so there will be no development or improvement. Life will get so boring and people will be desperate. Also, if there will be no competition so what's the point of life.
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Utopia
Nov 30, 2014 5:04:16 GMT
Post by sergeyfen on Nov 30, 2014 5:04:16 GMT
'Everyone works 6 hours a day, with 8 hours of rest' Is the most contributing aspect in reaching utopia because such thing as overwork is eliminated. People work same exact hours and get a good 8 hours of sleep, people with kids will have more time to spend with them and the rest of the family. Overworking is eliminated, thus eliminating tiredness, stress, etc. people would tend to be more happy than working different amount of hours.
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